[2024] What are the market prices and passing marks for discounting the new “Vellfire”? Is it almost impossible to get a discount?! A summary of negotiation techniques

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Toyota will release a new, partially improved version of the Vellfire in August 2024. This article details discounts on the base price and other points to consider when purchasing. We hope this information will be helpful when making your purchase.

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Target discount amount for “Vellfire” in fiscal year 2024

The target discount amount is approximately 50,000 yen in total

The vehicle price is 50,000 yen, with no option discounts .

How much discount is there on the Vellfire?

I looked up the current discount market price as of April 2024. It’s really hard to get a discount on the Vellfire. I’ve seen on other sites that you can get a huge discount, but as someone who has actually bought one, I don’t think there are many Toyotas like that.

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grade Purchase date Vehicle

discount
Option

discounts
Total

discount amount
Z Premier September 2023 0 million yen 0 million yen 0 million yen
HYBRID Z Premier October 2023 0 million yen 0 million yen 0 million yen
HYBRID Z Premier December 2023 0 million yen 0 million yen 0 million yen
HYBRID Z Premier January 2024 0 million yen 0 million yen 0 million yen
Price/com Toyota Vellfire discount information



I also purchased this car, but the person mentioned above said that they could only offer a 0% discount. On the contrary, they are very thorough, which is amazing! It’s a car that sells even without a discount, so I think it can’t be helped. This time, since it has undergone some improvements, I have set the target price as follows.

2023 Vellfire vehicle price

Recommended Vellfire grades

We recommend choosing the “Z Premium” grade. This grade, not available in the Alphard, comes with more standard safety features than the “Z,” and includes 19-inch aluminum wheels exclusive to the Vellfire, premium nappa leather executive power seats, and an exclusive Sunset Brown interior color.

grade engine Drive
system
Price
(10%)
Z Premium 2.5 L inline 4-cylinder

direct injection engine


+ motor THS II


(hybrid)
2WD 6,900,000 yen
Z Premium 2.5 L inline 4-cylinder

direct injection engine


+ motor THS II


(hybrid)
4WD 7,120,000 yen
Z Premium 2.4L direct injection turbo engine

+ Direct Shift-8AT
2WD 6,550,000 yen
Z Premium 2.4L direct injection turbo engine

+ Direct Shift-8AT
2WD 6,748,000 yen
Executive

Lounge
2.5 L inline 4-cylinder

direct injection engine


+ motor THS II


(hybrid)
2WD 8,700,000 yen
Executive

Lounge
2.5 L inline 4-cylinder

direct injection engine


+ motor THS II


(hybrid)
4WD 8,920,000 yen

What engine do you recommend?

  • Personally, I recommend the “2.5 L inline 4-cylinder direct injection engine (Dynamic Force Engine) + Motor THS II (hybrid)” model.

Reasons for recommending the 2.5 L inline 4-cylinder hybrid model

The fuel economy and motor assist compared to gasoline models allow for more relaxed driving. This is a well-established engine and hybrid system that is already used in many models, including the RAV4, Harrier, Crown (crossover), and Camry . The engine output and motor output have been increased for the Vellfire. When considering it as a hybrid model, you can choose the drive system: 2WD.

I am currently driving the fourth-generation Harrier, a 2.5L inline 4-cylinder direct injection engine (Dynamic Force Engine) + motor THS II (hybrid) model, and it has an impressive fuel economy of 17.1km/L when driven without any worries, considering the weight and size of the car. Furthermore, the motor assist allows for a relaxed ride, and I’m sure that even if I were to drive it in an Alphard, which has a larger weight and size, I wouldn’t be dissatisfied with the fuel economy or driving performance.

2023 “Vellfire” – What options would you like to add to increase resale value?

Toyota Teammate Advanced Park + Parking Brake Support

It’s standard on the Executive Lounge and Z Premier models. The new Alphard also comes standard with the next-generation Toyota Safety Sense . It’s great that it’s packed with features, but even though the car already has a full complement of safety equipment (it’s a manufacturer option on the Z), it’s definitely worth adding.

Advanced Park

After stopping next to the desired parking space, press the Advanced Park switch to confirm the parking position. Then, when you press the Start switch, the system will monitor the surroundings and assist with steering, acceleration, and braking to complete the parking operation (shift operation is manual).

Advanced Park (with remote function) Hybrid vehicle

Hybrid cars are available exclusively, and by operating a dedicated smartphone app from outside the car, you can park and exit remotely. If you want to do this, then a hybrid car is definitely the way to go.


Parking Support Brake (Stationary Objects) [Intelligent Clearance Sonar]

When parking or driving at low speeds, if there is a risk of colliding with a wall or other stationary object, or if the vehicle accelerates suddenly due to accidentally or overly pressing the accelerator pedal, or when starting off by accidentally putting the gear lever in the wrong position, the system will activate if the sensor detects a stationary object moving in front of or behind the vehicle to help mitigate the collision and reduce the damage caused by the collision.

Digital inner mirror

The “Executive Lounge” is standard equipment. It is a manufacturer option for the “Z Premier,” “Z,” and “G.” If you have many passengers in the back seat or a lot of luggage in the trunk, we recommend installing the “Digital Inner Mirror.”

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Universal step (both sides)

The “Executive Lounge,” “Z Premier,” “Z,” and “G” models all have a manufacturer option. It’s recommended for those with elderly passengers or small children in the back seat. The downside is that you won’t be able to install a spare tire. While a spare tire may be fine from an export perspective, a universal step is a good idea for the domestic market.

Twin dimming panoramic roof

The seats feature a “super long overhead console” and a “twin dimming panoramic roof .” These are optional features for the “Alphard” and “Z” grades, so we recommend adding them.

Priority List

  • There is a history of continuous purchases from the dealer. (They may refuse to sell to new customers.)
  • You can trade in your current car.
  • Purchase plans, payment methods, and installment contracts are available (KINTO residual value plan).
  • I have asked the dealer to perform maintenance .
  • Priority based on vehicle model and grade selection (some vehicles may have earlier delivery times)

All of these are actually obvious. ” Continuous purchase history at the dealer ” is the easiest to understand, but for the dealer, they are important customers who can make the most continuous sales, and are the users who pay the most. ” You can trade in your current car ” This also makes a profit because you can put it on Toyota’s directly managed “used car market”. ” You can make a contract on installments (KINTO, residual value plan) ” This also incurs interest compared to paying in cash, so you can make a profit from the interest. ” Maintenance at the dealer ” This also leads to profits for the dealer. In other words, no matter which you consider, the dealer is prioritizing (points) those who will be profitable for them. You may need to keep this in mind when making a purchase.

Does the delivery time change depending on whether you choose the Alphard or the Vellfire?

At the dealership I checked , it seems that there are several more Alphards than Vellfires scheduled to arrive. However, I was advised to choose the Vellfire if I want to get one quickly. As expected, the Alphard has a reputation for name value, so it is expected to be very popular.

Discounts on the Vellfire: Tips for a successful and affordable purchase

  • Consider purchasing at the end of the fiscal year, or hold negotiations around the end of each month.
  • Consider rival models, compare over three models, and even discuss them during negotiations.
  • If you have a trade-in car, have it appraised by the dealer first, then have it appraised by at least three other companies, and sell it to the one that offers you the highest price.
  • Check whether discounts are available for both the main unit and the options.
  • If you purchase through installment or leasing, you may be able to save money on the total price by considering options other than through a dealer.
  • At the final stage, make an immediate decision at the desired price.
  • Get quotes from different dealerships

1. Consider purchasing and negotiate during the closing period

Honda’s financial statements are made monthly, at the end of September in the first half of the fiscal year, and at the end of March at the end of the fiscal year. The quarterly closing periods of June, September, December, and March may be the best times to visit. Salespeople are also keen to increase sales at these closing times, so they may be willing to negotiate prices. They will likely work especially hard at the end of March at the end of the fiscal year!

2. Consider rival models and compare them with three or so models.

Bringing in a competitor will be a bargaining chip in business negotiations. As a salesperson myself, I understand that bringing in a competitor will force you into a price war. It will also convey to the other party your intention to purchase in the near future, which will give you leverage to lower the price.

Vellfire competitors

Competing models within the Honda family are not acceptable. For example, if you are deciding between the Voxy, Vellfire, or Alphard, be sure to get quotes and consider products in the same class from other manufacturers.

Recommended models of Vellfire and competitors

The following models are just right for the competition in terms of body size and lineup. It may take time, but please try to get quotes from other companies at the dealership. However, what often happens is that when you get quotes from other companies, you find that the other company’s products are discounted or better, so you decide not to buy them. It is also important to know about other companies.

  • He’s not here this time.

If you force yourself to be a candidate

It’s fair to say that the lack of competitors has once again created this discount situation. I hope other companies will release models that can become rivals.

3. Trade-in vehicle appraisal

If you currently have a car, think about how to sell it for as much as possible when you sell it. When you get a quote for your Vellfire, be sure to also ask for a trade-in appraisal. Using the appraisal amount given by the dealer as a base, get quotes from at least four other companies and consider selling it. This is essential.

Reasons and experiences

I have had both good and bad appraisals from dealerships, but of course, it’s necessary to compare with other companies. For example, when I sold a Prius that I had been driving for two and a half years, the appraisal results showed a difference of 640,000 yen.

  • Dealer 1.66 million yen if you can pick it up next week
  • Company A 2.23 million yen Condition: If you can pick it up next week
  • Company B 2.3 million yen Condition: If you can pick it up next week
  • Company C: 2.3 million yen. OK until the next car is delivered.

The thing that surprised me the most was the crazy trade-in prices at dealerships.

I drive the current fourth-generation Toyota Harrier, and I was surprised at the trade-in price. I had visited two used car shops beforehand, and they offered a deal at 500,000 yen more than other dealerships, plus they guaranteed the price until delivery, so I had no reason not to trade in at a dealership. It’s easy and affordable, so it’s hard to give up Toyota cars.

4. Check whether discounts are available for the main unit and options

For example, the discount amount is often larger if you add the main unit and options than if you only add the main unit and almost no options. The reason is that you can receive a discount on both the main unit and the options. That’s why the above prices list the discount amounts for both the “main unit price” and the “option price.” However, as you add more options, the total cost will naturally increase, so be sure to select and add the equipment you want before getting a discount. Adding everything will naturally increase the price.

5. If you purchase through installment or leasing, you may be able to save money by considering options other than through a dealer.

For example, let’s say the Vellfire Z Premier costs 7 million yen including expenses. This is a simulation of what would happen if you prepared 4 million yen and borrowed 3 million yen.

  • Borrowing amount: 3 million yen
  • No down payment
  • Bonus payment 0

If you calculate the difference in interest rates under the above conditions, you’ll see a huge difference in the total repayment amount. If you borrow 3 million yen for 10 years at 5.5%, you’ll end up paying an extra 900,000 yen, but if you borrow 3 million yen for 10 years at 2.5%, you’ll only pay an extra 400,000 yen, a difference of 500,000 yen. Therefore, one option is to look for an auto loan from a bank or other lender that will allow you to take out a loan with the lowest possible interest rate.

If the interest rate (annual) is 5.5%

Loan period Monthly repayment amount Total repayment amount
3 years 90,587 yen 3,261,131 yen
5 years 57,303 yen 3,438,168 yen
7 years 43,110 yen 3,621,187 yen
10 years 32,557 yen 3,906,877 yen

If the interest rate (annual) is 2.5%

Loan period Monthly repayment amount Total repayment amount
3 years 86,584 yen 3,117,008 yen
5 years 53,242 yen 3,194,492 yen
7 years 38,967 yen 3,273,218 yen
10 years 28,280 yen 3,393,641 yen

Car Loan Popularity Ranking

Loan companies Interest rate (annual rate) Interest Rate Structure
Mitsubishi UFJ Bank 1.500% to 2.450% Fluctuation
Sompo Japan 1.400% to 3.950% fixed
Yokohama Bank 0.900% to 2.400% Fluctuation
Chiba Bank 0.850% to 2.400% Fluctuation
Joyo Bank 0.850% to 2.750% Fluctuation
Car Loan Popularity Ranking

Points to note

Bank car loans are cheap, with strictest screening, followed by dealer-affiliated loans, but with higher interest rates. Other financial institutions tend to offer more lenient screening, with higher interest rates.

6. At the final stage, make an immediate decision at the desired price.

If they don’t offer the discount you want, try to force them by honestly telling them what you want. Add that you’ll sign the contract today if you agree, and if they still can’t offer the discount you want, you’ll just have to accept that this is the best they can do.

7. Get quotes from different Toyota dealerships

The store I’m familiar with is Toyopet, but there are many other companies. For example, if you get a quote from a Chiba Toyota store, the price will probably change. This happens because the companies are completely different. If you get a quote from the same Chiba Toyopet store, you’ll immediately find out that other stores are quoting the same price because they share information. So, try again at another Toyota dealership with which you have no capital ties.

example

  • Chiba Toyopet
  • Chiba Toyota
  • Toyota Corolla Chiba (now part of the Chiba Toyopet group)
  • Netz Toyota Chiba

Toyota’s exclusive “Maintenance Pack”

*Pack contents vary depending on the retailer.

A maintenance package is a package that mainly includes vehicle inspection and maintenance, legal inspection and maintenance, and the maintenance required to maintain a car. There are packages that only include vehicle inspection and maintenance, but many packages also include after-sales service in addition to vehicle inspection and maintenance, and the price is often set at a better price than the regular price.

after_service

Chiba Toyopet “Medium Class”

For example, here is a simulation of what would happen if you applied for a maintenance package for the medium-class Corolla Cross for 2.5 years (30 months), 3 years (36 months), or 5 years (60 months) .

Maintenance period Regular price Package Rates Savings amount
2.5 years (30 months) 91,592 yen 68,694 yen 22,898 yen
3 years (36 months) 166,716 yen 125,037 yen 41,679 yen
5 years (60 months) 219,566 yen 164,674 yen 54,892 yen
Chiba Toyopet Smile Passport Medium Class

If you plan to keep your car for a certain period of time, it will be more economical to apply for a package rather than paying for regular maintenance and vehicle inspections each time.

It’s better to think of the Vellfire as something special.

If you are unable to find a bargain , I would say to look for a used car , but the Vellfire is a premium car and there are no new used cars available. Furthermore, used cars are traded at prices far exceeding the new car price. Even without a discount, the Vellfire is currently cheap if you can get it into the purchase quota, so as of 2024, I recommend not focusing too much on discounts when purchasing.

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